To all VEGETARIANS - Dont you acknowledge that plants also have a life.?

We humans harvest crops - whether early or late, its still killing.





God has given humans canines amongst tooth types.





Canines are ment for the adaptation to eating meat.





Our digestive system right throught the intestines an adaptation behaviour between carnivoris and hebivorous (we are omnivoris) - read about the different lengths of intestines for each, you will find our type inbetween herb/canivoris





i know that meat should be eaten in moderation these days - my point is that your reason for being vegetarian is to aviod killing - the veg you eat also has life.

To all VEGETARIANS - Dont you acknowledge that plants also have a life.?
cool question!!!!


im not vegetarian....


but i was before bit my reason was becoz im on a diet thats why i onli ate veggie foods!!


hahaha


i wonder how pure vegetarian answer this question!!
Reply:We can live perfectly fine on a vegetarian diet,and I think that is all that really matters.Look at a dog's canines,and look at yours,see the difference?





About the plants:


One of the questions most frequently asked of any vegan is: “what about plants?” Indeed, I do not know any vegan who has not gotten that question at least once and most of us have heard it many times.





Of course, no one who asks this question really thinks that we cannot distinguish between, say, a chicken and a head of lettuce. That is, if, at your next dinner party, you chop a head of lettuce in front of your guests, you will get a different reaction than if you were to carve a live chicken. If, while walking in your garden, I step on a flower intentionally, you may quite correctly be annoyed with me, but if I intentionally kicked your dog, you would be upset with me in a different way. No one really thinks of these as equivalent acts. Everyone recognizes that there is an important difference between the plant and the dog that make kicking the dog a morally more serious act than stepping on a flower.





The difference between the animal and the plant involves sentience. That is, nonhumans—or at least the ones we routinely exploit—are clearly conscious of sense perceptions. Sentient beings have minds; they have preferences, desires, or wants. This is not to say that animal minds are like human minds. For example, the minds of humans, who use symbolic language to navigate their world, may be very different from the minds of bats, who use echolocation to navigate theirs. It is difficult to know. But it is irrelevant; the human and the bat are both sentient. They are both the sorts of beings who have interests; they both have preferences, desires, or wants. The human and the bat may think differently about those interests, but there can be no serious doubt that both have interests, including an interest in avoiding pain and suffering and an interest in continued existence.





Plants are qualitatively different from humans and sentient nonhumans in that plants are certainly alive but they are not sentient. Plants do not have interests. There is nothing that a plant desires, or wants, or prefers because there is no mind there to engage in these cognitive activities. When we say that a plant “needs” or “wants” water, we are no more making a statement about the mental status of the plant than we are when we say that a car engine “needs” or “wants” oil. It may be in my interest to put oil in my car. But it is not in my car’s interest; my car has no interests.





A plant may respond to sunlight and other stimuli but that does not mean the plant is sentient. If I run an electrical current through a wire attached to a bell, the bell rings. But that does not mean that the bell is sentient. Plants do not have nervous systems, benzodiazepine receptors, or any of the characteristics that we identify with sentience. And this all makes scientific sense. Why would plants evolve the ability to be sentient when they cannot do anything in response to an act that damages them? If you touch a flame to a plant, the plant cannot run away; it stays right where it is and burns. If you touch a flame to a dog, the dog does exactly what you would do—cries in pain and tries to get away from the flame. Sentience is a characteristic that has evolved in certain beings to enable them to survive by escaping from a noxious stimulus. Sentience would serve no purpose for a plant; plants cannot “escape.”





I am not suggesting that we cannot have moral obligations that concern plants, but I am saying that we cannot have moral obligations that we owe to plants. That is, we may have a moral obligation not to cut down a tree, but that is not an obligation that we owe to the tree. The tree is not the sort of entity to which we can have moral obligations. We can have an obligation that we owe to all of the sentient creatures who live in the tree or who depend on it for their survival. We can have moral obligations to other humans and nonhuman animals who inhabit the planet not to destroy trees wantonly. But we cannot have any moral obligations to the tree; we can only have moral obligations to sentient beings and the tree is not sentient and has no interests. There is nothing that the tree prefers, wants, or desires. The tree is not the sort of entity that cares about what we do to it. The tree is an “it.” The squirrel and the birds who live in the tree certainly have an interest in our not chopping down the tree, but the tree does not. It may be wrong morally to chop down a tree wantonly but that is a qualitatively different act from shooting a deer.





Talking about the “rights” of trees, as some do, is to invite equating trees and nonhuman animals and that can only work to the detriment of the animals. Indeed, it is common to hear environmentalists talk about our responsibly managing our natural resources and including nonhuman animals as a “resource” to be managed. That is a problem for those of us who do not see nonhumans as “resources” for our use. Trees and other plants are resources that we can use. We have an obligation to use those resources wisely, but that is an obligation that we owe only to other persons, be they human or nonhuman.





Finally, a variant of the plant question is the question: “what about insects—are they sentient?” No one really knows for certain as far as I am aware. I certainly give insects the benefit of doubt. I do not kill insects in my house and I try never to step on them when I walk. In the case of insects, the line may be difficult to draw but that does not mean that a line cannot be drawn—and drawn clearly—in the majority of cases. We kill and eat at least ten billion land animals every year in the U.S. alone. This does not include all the sea animals who we kill and eat. Maybe there is a question about whether clams or mussels are sentient, but there is no doubt that all the cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys, fish, etc. are sentient. The nonhumans from whom we get milk and eggs are undoubtedly sentient.





The fact that we may not know whether insects are sentient does not mean that we have any doubt whatsoever about these other nonhuman animals; we do not. And to say that we do not know whether insects are sentient so we cannot assess the morality of eating the flesh or using the products from nonhumans we know without doubt are sentient, or of bringing those domesticated nonhumans into existence for the purpose of using them as our “resources,” is, of course, absurd.
Reply:Sure vegetables have a life too, but there is a huge difference between eating dead animals or vegetables. You have to eat things that have life in order to stay alive. Plants don't have a conscience, they don't suffer like animals do. So I don't think that eating plants is killing them.
Reply:Normal foods eaten by vegeterian people :





1. Fruits.


2. Grains/seeds.


3. Leaves.





Very few of these involve killing of entire plants/trees. But when you eat chicken you have to kill it.





So when you are being vegetarian you are :





1. Sparing the animals.


2. Eating plant parts/fruits which were naturally meant for that same purpose.
Reply:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05zhL1YUd...








(if you even bother to go watch that video)








Do I really need to tell you the difference between plants and animals? or did you actually say to yourself ahah! gotcha pesky vegheads when you wrote this? Consult your elementary school teachers if you are still stumped on this one.
Reply:%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;my point is that your reason for being vegetarian is to aviod killing - the veg you eat also has life.%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;





I'm a vegan because I want to avoid causing suffering and exploitation of animals. Plants dont have central nervous system, so they cant suffer.





I DONT need meat or other animal products to survive, but I do need food from the plants.





If you're really worried about consuming plants: Most fruit and vegetables is just fruit from the plant, not the actual plant, so the root is still in the ground and the plant continues to grow.





There are many strong and beautiful vegan animals, like elephants, giraffes, horses, etc... Veganism is not something invented by humans.





Meat makes people sick. Heart condition and many types of cancer could be avoided if people didnt eat meat.





About human teeth, why dont you try to catch an animal with only your hands, and then sink in your teeth through their thick skin/fur? You would never be able to do that. So DONT tell me our teeth are designed for this. You cant eat meat unless you cook it to death.





If you think that your(christian?) god supports animal cruelty that goes on in slaughterhouses, then what is left for the devil to do? I suggest you see some of those videos, like "meet your meat" on youtube, before you say that this is what god wants from you.
Reply:I do know that plants are alive, but the main difference between them and animals is that animals have a brain and a central nervous system. They can feel pain and they can suffer when they are mistreated. Totally uncool in my book.





As far as canine teeth, that theory is laughable at best. Do human canines compare to those canines of lions or tigers? Not in the least. THOSE teeth are designed for tearing and consuming flesh. Did you know that their stomach acid is about 5x as potent as ours? That's so they don't have to COOK their meat before they consume it. We must prepare ours as such in order to avoid getting sick. To me, that hardly points to any "facts" that we are supposed to eat meat. And finally, the digestive tracts of meat-eating animals is much shorter than that of human beings. Their excrement is produced shortly after eating the meat, while meat can stay in a human for days on end....all the while rotting in the process. Sorry. Your "argument" is full of holes.
Reply:I'm not sure what you get out of trying to nit pick this issue with people who obviously see a much bigger picture of life than you can. They have made their choice of lifestyle.


You are free to consider it and reject it, but they don't really have to defend themselves to you or anyone.


The fact that you think you found a glitch in their position says more about you than it does about them.


It's a shame. You sound too young to have developed such a closed minded view of the world already.
Reply:I am a vegetarian. I have been a vegetarian for almost a year. Yes. You are right. But you don't take their life, just what is on them. They are still living after you take the food. So the plants still have life.





P.S. Nice Question.
Reply:You cant here the plants scream when they get cut down. I think you need to watch some PETA videos.
Reply:The earth lavishes to us immeasurable amounts of innocent foods that don't require bloodshed, which satisfies fully and completely human's nutritional needs and values. Plants are these innocent foods, they are living things that don't bleed, cry out or struggle in pain and have no central nervous system to feel pain. These are the natural foods that God has given to Man to feed on.





Let's contrast human physiology with that of carnivores. Teeth, nails, and jaw structure indicate that nature intended for people to eat a plant-based diet. They have much shorter and softer fingernails than animals and pathetically small "canine" teeth, the ones you're talking about, the ones that have an almost unnoticeable slight tip (they're canine in name only). In contrast, carnivores all have sharp claws and large canine teeth that well extends beyond their other teeth, capable of tearing flesh. The jaws of carnivores move only up and down, requiring them to tear chunks of flesh from their prey and swallowing it whole. Humans and other herbivores can move their jaws up and down and from side to side, a movement that allows them to grind up fruit and vegetables with their back teeth. Like other herbivores, human back molars are flat and allow the grinding of fibrous plant foods. Carnivores lack these flat molars. If humans had been meant to eat meat, they would have the sharp teeth and claws of carnivores. Instead, their jaw structure, flat molars, and lack of claws indicate that they are best suited for a plant-based diet.


Also, carnivores have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly whereas herbivores and humans have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.


Carnivores have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat whereas herbivores and humans have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a carnivore's


Carnivores have salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits whereas herbivores and humans have well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits


Carnivores have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains whereas herbivores and humans have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains.


It's hard to argue with the facts that humans are meant for a plant based diet. People may find it hard to accept or believe even though the facts are right in front of their eyes because ultimately, you can't make someone believe or do something that they are determined not to believe or do because they have already closed their minds or shut themselves out to (even if it's for the better).


The thing is, people have been CONDITIONED to eat meat. Meat is conveniently cooked and flavored to remove or disguise the natural taste and humans grow up getting used to the taste.


Since humans go against how nature intended for our diet to be, we therefore introduce many kinds of health problems by our UNnatural diet.


There are many questions one could ask a meat eater that would probably stump them as they would have no credible facts, logical explanation or even reasons to justify their choice other than perhaps the only and obvious reason being their love for the taste of meat and that they still believe meat is a necessity for growth and nutrition even though the facts say otherwise.


Everyone eats for himself. What one eats is ultimately his choice, because in the end, you are what you eat.
Reply:1. not every one believes in god, or your god. 2. if we were meant to eat meat, we could eat it raw like every other meat eater out in nature does. 3. go and research the meat industry. you will then know why we are speaking out for animals. and 4. plants are not the same as animals. they are from different kingdoms. plants do not have central nervous systems and there for i eat it.
Reply:I guess, to you, this is a good question. Bet you were thinking-"Ha! I've got those veg heads now!", when you were posting this.





The difference is so incredibly obvious, I'm surprised you weren't ashamed to post this all-to-common query.





Plants have no brain. No feelings. No opinion about staying there in the ground or being eaten.





If you use the same rule that outlaws animals to outlaw plants, then that just leaves us poor humans to be breatharians, doesn't it? Oh, I bet you'd pitch a fit about that.





And who says I'm a vegetarian because I'm all pro-animal life? I, PERSONALLY, AM A VEGETARIAN TO PRESERVE MY OWN LIFE, not because I'm an animal rights activist.





I've been a vegetarian for the entirety of my life. All those "normal" childhood disease? Mumps? Measles? Chicken pox?


"Every child goes through that", you may say. HA! I didn't, and neither did any of my three siblings (except my older brother, who ate meat until he was four. he got chicken pox. the rest of us were born vegetarians, and the most we've ever had was a cold.....hmm......).
Reply:This is not really a question, this is just a commentary on how you are, for some reason, mad at vegetarians even though they affect you in no way, shape or form. And if you are harassed by a vegetarian, realize that he or she is probably an idiot in most aspects of life and that most vegetarians do not harass anyone.





Oh ... and vegetables don't have a life. Do they bleed? Do you take your tomato for a walk? Besides the fact that not everyone out there is an animal rights/welfare activist. Don't bother me with your preaching and I won't bother you with mine.
Reply:Of COURSE I acknowledge that plants are alive. However, I also acknowledge that I am a living thing and need to fuel my body in order to stay that way. I feel that the most ethical way to do it is to eat low on the food chain.





You assume that our "reason for being vegetarian is to aviod [sic] killing" but that's only a chapter in the book. We vegetarians have chosen it for a wide variety of reasons from the ethical to the environmental to the medical. You don't have to agree with us but the argument that since we're killing plants we might as well be killing animals too is nonsense.
Reply:Given the arguments that most people have given to your very incendiary question, then eggs and milk are also ok, as they are products "harvested" from the host animal (in this case, the mother).





The difference between taking the life of a plant and taking the life of an animal is simple. Plants do not have freedom of movement. Animals (except for veal, which is truly a cruel way to raise an animal anyways, even for only 7 days) do.
Reply:i get tired of hearing, god gave us this and god said that.


im atheist and vegan and see animals as living, breathing, feeling creatures just like you or i. what reason do i have to eat meat.


Have you ever noticed that we are the only creatures that have to cook meat in order to digest it?
Reply:plants can 'mate' and reproduce aswell, you have a good point. omnivores rock!
Reply:Yes, we eat and something must be destroyed in the process. I guess if someone truly wants to not destroy anything they must turn into poopatarian. Recycle their own waste!





I think vegetarian, vegan diets do have some medicinal origin, but lot of people turned it into some kind of weird life style, animal rights thing.





I think its great people go vegetarian, vegan or whatever, but I do think its misleading to think just because you only eat vegies it some how means you're more considerate person than someone who eats meat.





I don't like the whole perception or argument that one should not eat meat because its inhumane some how.
Reply:Anyone else notice vegetarians are REALLY small





For gods sake people, eat a steak!



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